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Meaningful connections between researchers and patient partners

This is part seven in our series by Patient Partners about their experiences at our recent workshop.

About Katie: Katharine (Katie) Mackett has lived with type 1 diabetes for 25 years. She is a PhD candidate in Clinical Epidemiology at McMaster University (Hamilton, ON) researching equitable access to evidence-based care for individuals living with diabetes. With DAC, Katie is a patient partner who served on the workshop planning committee. She is also an advocate with Diabetes Canada for improving access to continuous glucose monitoring.

Living with diabetes can be relentless, unforgiving, and distressing. With misdiagnoses, poor media representation, complications, inadequate access to life-sustaining medication (to name a few), it is clear there is a lot to be learned about this disease. However, living with diabetes also instills a great deal of strength and determination, which is evident in patient partners.

Partnering with individuals with lived expertise provides researchers a unique lens into the disease they are analyzing. Without meaningful and ethical engagement, it can leave the patient partner feeling as though their voice is unimportant and that their concerns do not carry any merit.

During the DAC 2024 Workshop, “Patient Partners as Agents of Change”, name badges were worn without titles or designations, creating a space for individuals who possess a wealth of knowledge and experience living with diabetes (from newly diagnosed, parents with children living with diabetes, caregivers, to those who have decades of lived expertise), to freely connect with researchers, clinicians, and other stakeholders. I had the opportunity to not only discuss current projects with researchers, but also share my experience living with type 1 diabetes, and how their research impacts me. They echoed the value of engaging patient partners throughout the research process, and we had open dialogue about what meaningful engagement entails. We discussed important considerations such as the type of research to be conducted and the patient partner’s level of comfort with the topic. It was acknowledged that the views of just one person living with diabetes may not represent all the values and concerns of others living with other types of diabetes, emphasizing the importance of including a diverse cohort of patient partners.

Having the opportunity to connect with other patient partners from across Canada was encouraging, and reinforced the fact that we are truly not alone. Our passion and dedication towards improving the lives of those living with diabetes was palpable. We have so much to learn from each other, insight that cannot be learned from a textbook.

I encourage those researching chronic diseases such as diabetes to reach out to the community and collaborate with organizations like Diabetes Action Canada to learn about the lived experience perspective, and engage in meaningful research that will impact generations to come.

Kate Farnsworth – Catalyst for Change Award Winner

This year, DAC awarded the Catalyst for Change Award to three deserving patient partners. The award honours those who have made an extraordinary contribution to patient partnership in research.

Kate Farnsworth, a DAC patient partner since the organization’s inception, was one of the recipients. The mother of a daughter with type 1 diabetes (T1D), Kate has been a champion for improved technologies to manage T1D for years. She has been a leader in the DIY looping community and an advocate for the #WeAreNotWaiting philosophy. With DAC, she has been a project lead in the Innovations in Type 1 Diabetes program and a project lead on the Connect1d Canada project.

Nominated by DAC’s Executive Director, Tracy McQuire, Kate is a wonderful example of how “loved experience” can make in incredible impact.  “Kate was one of the first patient partners I met when I joined DAC in 2017. I was tasked with building the Innovations in T1D Program and Kate was suggested to me as a potential Patient Partner by Bruce Perkins,” says McQuire. “At the time, Kate was already deeply involved in supporting families interested in DIY looping for automated insulin delivery. Her efforts were really the beginning of my understanding of the knowledge mobilization journey, and simplifying complex concepts to make them accessible to those in need. This same forward-thinking approach defines Kate’s contributions within DAC. She consistently emphasizes the importance of effective communication with the community, guiding our teams toward improved engagement strategies. Kate’s influence extends to project design; she played a pivotal role in co-designing Connect1d Canada and co-created the  content of our homepage. Beyond her project involvement, Kate has represented DAC as an ambassador at international conferences and served as a community representative in various organizational settings, including our Steering Council. For me, and many others fortunate enough to collaborate with her, Kate’s transformative impact within the Network is unmistakable. Her dedication and innovative thinking have not only shaped my leadership journey but have also enriched the experiences of all who have had the privilege of working alongside her.”

Winning this award is meaningful to Kate for many reasons, not least of which is her passion for patient partnership in research. “The voice of people with lived experience is critical. I think that no discussions about living with health conditions should take place without those who are affected by it. While I don’t live with diabetes myself, my daughter does. She doesn’t want to speak up for herself, so I tend to do so. There’s nothing that compares to lived experience, and people living with diabetes and their caregivers should have a seat at every table, and be involved in every discussion to ensure that the solutions and research that are being developed are the right ones at the right time and are meeting their needs.”

She will continue to be involved in patient-oriented research, and is so proud to have been chosen for this award.  “This was a very kind recognition of the time and work I’ve done with DAC,” she says. “I feel very grateful to be up there with the other, phenomenal recipients. And I feel inspired to keep pushing forward and doing good work with DAC.”

Ryan Hooey – Catalyst for Change Award Winner

This year, Diabetes Action Canada presented its first Catalyst for Change Awards. This award, given to three recipients, honours Patient Partners who have made an extraordinary contribution to research.

One of this year’s recipients is Ryan Hooey. Ryan is a dedicated patient partner who lives with type 1 diabetes and sight loss. He holds a leadership position with the Canadian National Institute for the Blind (CNIB) and has been an advocate for making diabetes technologies more accessible for those with vision loss, among many other areas.

Hooey, who lost his vision suddenly and had to quickly learn how to navigate a life with diabetes and sight loss, has provided ongoing support for research projects aimed at improving accessibility, as well as preventing diabetic retinopathy.

He is pleased to have been chosen for this award. “I’m honoured to receive this award and that someone thought of what I had done and what they had learned from me. It means that even though I might not think anybody’s listening, someone is,” he says.

Hooey hopes that seeing Patient Partners celebrated will encourage more people to get involved and share their experiences. “I want patient partnership to be normalized within the research community, and to be respected,” he says, noting that some medical journals still won’t accept patient partners as authors on publications.

Nominated for the award by his colleagues within the Program for Health System and Technology Evaluation team, Hooey is seen as a leader in his field. The team felt Hooey’s work as a Patient Partner and an advocate for those living with diabetes and sight loss was exceptional and that his contribution to the team was an important element of their success.


They wrote, “Ryan Hooey’s role is dynamic and he brings a wealth of experience through his education, role with the CNIB, and as an Indigenous person living with type 1 diabetes for 31 years with significant vision loss for the past 11 years due to diabetic retinopathy. Ryan provides expertise on accessibility integration for people living with diabetes from study design to knowledge translation activities for all of our studies and grant applications. Ryan has been integral in community engagement initiatives with the Indigenous Diabetes Health Circle (IDHC), providing his expertise on recommendations for the spread and scale of eye and foot screening for Indigenous communities living in rural and remote areas, on and off reserve.”

Moving forward, Hooey has great hopes for the continued integration of lived experience in research. He is currently one of the eight Research to Action fellows with Diabetes Action Canada, and is working with the National Indigenous Diabetes Association on a project aimed at improving accessibility.

“In the future, I want technology for diabetes to be accessible, affordable and available to everyone in Canada,” he says. He sees the need for so many changes – from allowing for larger print on insulin pump screens to offering audible instructions within devices to support those without sight. “It’s so much easier to integrate these things initially than retrofitting something that hasn’t been made with accessibility in mind.”

What Gets Counted, Counts: Paying Attention to Sex and Age in Health Research

A new resource from Diabetes Action Canada researcher, Dr. Robin Mason, is now available. The Health Researcher’s Toolkit module, What Gets Counted, Counts: Paying Attention to Sex and Age in Health Research, focuses on the need to disaggregate data by sex and age

This short, interactive module outlines the reasons why it is important to integrate age into considerations of sex and gender and what can be missed when we fail to do so. As with all DAC projects, patient partners provided input to support the development of this resource. It is available in both English and French.

Try the module now!

The full Health Researcher’s Toolkit

New Publication Looks at Patient Partnership in Study Recruitment

A new paper from the INTREPID Lab at the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health, authored by Dr. Carly Whitmore at McMaster University has been published in the journal Health Expectations. The paper, co-authored by multiple Diabetes Action Canada researchers and Patient Partners, looks at Partnered Recruitment: Engaging individuals with lived experience in the recruitment of co-design participants.

“For many young adults, the daily burden of living with type 1 diabetes can contribute to mental health challenges, including diabetes distress,” says Whitmore. “Led by Dr. Peter Selby, our research project is looking to co-design a program that brings together diabetes and mental health care to help address these challenges, and then test this program in a group of young adults living with type 1 diabetes. In this paper, we report on our approach to engaging people with lived experience of diabetes as part of a Partner Advisory Council to recruit participants for this co-design work. This research has underscored not only the need for this type of program, but also the benefits of this type of engagement in research.”

For those with lived experience, this work is helpful in that it highlights the value of patient partnership in the research process from the very initial stages. People with diabetes helped develop the recruitment strategy, ensuring the team was able to reach young adults with diverse perspectives and experiences from across the country.  “Informed by the lived experiences and existing connections of Partner Advisory Council members, this recruitment approach centred the needs and preferences of potential participants and was more inclusive and less stigmatizing. For example, rather than requiring potential participants to complete questionnaires about their mental health, our team assumed the presence of mental health challenges like diabetes distress to encourage broader engagement,” says Whitmore.

Patient Partner Kitty Shephard, who was part of the recruitment planning process, sees the value in the strategy. “By collaboratively engaging with the Partner Advisory Council from the start of the project, our team was able to design this research in a way that addressed common misconceptions and created a meaningful space for young adults to share their experiences.”

Moving forward, the team will test and co-design the program. The hope is that once the results of the research are known, they can potentially serve as a model for bringing mental healthcare together with chronic conditions.

“Throughout the co-design phase of the project, we heard time and time again from people with lived experience about the importance of community connectedness. For this reason, we are currently developing a tailored resource for those living with type 1 diabetes to help facilitate these community connections,” says Patient Partner Natalie Mangialardi.

Read the paper here.

Thank You, André!

A sad update to our feature story below, on July 17, 2024 André Gaudreau passed away. Our hearts go out to his family, friends and colleagues, and we are so grateful for the time we had with him. The below tribute on his retirement as a Patient Partners seems very fitting as a remembrance of his contribution to our work.

André’s obituary can be found here.

Read the Kudos Board with messages from our Network about André.

This month, we celebrate the retirement of Patient Partner, André Gaudreau.

Since the early days of Diabetes Action Canada, André has been a dedicated member of our team. He was a co-facilitator for the Training and Mentoring Program, a member of our Francophone Patient Circle, a member of several research teams, and a huge part of the development of the MyRoad Program. His leadership in many areas of patient partnership has been an incredible asset to our work.

In May, DAC thanked him for his service at our Workshop, where we received a standing ovation. In July, the Centre de recherche du CHUS at the University of Sherbrooke hosted a reception in André’s honour. Friends, family and colleagues joined in person and virtually to celebrate his achievements and thank him for his hard work and dedication.

Below, some tributes to André from those who have worked with him.

“Over the past decade, André has been very engaged at my research centre, the Centre de recherche du CHUS, as part of its patient partners committee, and then as one of the patients partners involved in the training and mentoring committee of DAC. He later was part of the patient partners who were engaged in the creation of My ROaD. During all those years, André has been highly active in a large number of individual projects across Canada and a very active member of our organizations’ governance in patient engagement. His energetic, generous and unassuming contributions have been an inspiration for the other patient partners, investigators, staff and students in all of those organizations. He particularly contributed in promoting research in French and focusing on type 2 diabetes. His friendly stance and exceptional level of commitment during all of his interactions have made him an unforgettable collaborator whom we’ll miss sadly. For me, André will forever embody excellence in patient partnership.” Dr. André Carpentier, Co-Scientific Lead, Diabetes Action Canada

André has been with DAC from the very beginning, playing a crucial role in developing our Patient Engagement and Training Programs. He was always the first to volunteer and, as our Network evolved, emerged as a leader among our Patient Partners in research, governance, and patient engagement. André was particularly passionate about the Francophone Patient Circle and was a tireless advocate for promoting research from Quebec and in French. We are incredibly fortunate to have worked with André and wish him all the best in his retirement. Tracy McQuire, Executive Director, Diabetes Action Canada

“Andre was not only a valued member of our research team back in 2021, where he provided much-needed insight into the experience of living with diabetes, he has also made significant contributions to all of DAC’s continuing work, being sure to bring the Francophone voice to the fore. Whenever I see him, it feels like finding a friend in the crowd.” Dr. Robin Mason, Women’s College Hospital Research Institute

“When beginning the reflections on what would eventually become the health research training and mentoring platform on obesity, diabetes and cardiometabolism that is now MyRoad, André Gaudreau was there in the early meetings and provided positive energy in his role as patient partner. In the early phases of the platform creation, through a joyful and assertive presence, he provided critical insight and often reminded committee members about the importance of patient engagement in all planned activities of the platform. Through extensive experience related to patient engagement in research, he provided guidance for other participants, helping them truly understand the essence and benefits of patient partnership. André was able to express favorable opinions or voice concerns as needed, and hence contributed greatly to shape the platform governance and activities. He is a pioneer regarding patient engagement in research and a source of inspiration not only for patients or citizens willing to engage in academic activities, but also for scientists and scientific organizations.” Dr. André Tchernoff, MyRoad Director and Principal Investigator

“Andre you are truly amazing. Your dedication to research and ensuring that the patient perspective is heard is unparalleled.  Thank you for your vision, leadership, and willingness to contribute,  since the very beginning.” Dr. Paula Rochon, Director, Women’s Age Lab

What Can They Teach Me About Anti-Indigenous Racism in Healthcare? Lots!

This is part six in our series by Patient Partners about what they learned at our recent workshop.

By Maryann Maloney

About Maryann: Maryann Maloney As a Patient Partner with Diabetes Action Canada, I’ve been given the opportunity to have a voice that connects both my passion for helping others and the type 1 diabetes I’ve lived well with for 45 years. I live, work, and play in the east end of Toronto. Fun fact: I was voted “Best Laugh” in high school.

Fact: Indigenous people experience a lack of cultural understanding in our health systems.

As a Patient Partner at Diabetes Action Canada, I attended a workshop entitled “Cultivating Equity: Advancing Anti-Racism in Healthcare.” It blew my beliefs out of the water, the clean water that I’m privileged enough to have access to.

I introduced myself as Canadian and, by the end, I was embarrassed about that flippant self-description. During discussions with my new friends, I was able to challenge my own views about racism. This was the beginning of a journey that opened both my mind and my heart. Was I contributing by being complacent about the subtle racism surrounding me? Absolutely!

My own judgments are skewed by my limited knowledge of the prejudices within our healthcare system that affect Indigenous communities. As a retired healthcare professional, this was eye-opening.

My mind is filled with so many thoughts and questions that it’s easier for me to break it down. I’ll stick to the top three.

Question: Can we appreciate our differences and acknowledge that change can happen?

“Made a friend today and we connected. We communicated like we had known each other forever. She didn’t think my questions about her life were weird. She answered them respectfully, with clarity and grace, which is exactly how she portrayed herself. She is a lovely human being named Leslie, and she is Indigenous.”

I had never heard of generational trauma before this workshop, but I know what it is now. I know now that we must learn to understand each other to help find some equilibrium in the system that works best for everyone. If we can address our own prejudices, then we can avoid the familiar rabbit hole of discourse. When I walk into a healthcare environment as a white woman, I’m treated fairly. Every person deserves that same treatment. What judgment are you holding when someone “different” interacts with you?

Question: If we’re not calling others out on their racist comments, are we culpable?

“Chatted with Barb today. We talked about her family. Her grandson wasn’t well and she was concerned. Barb’s granddaughter was at the workshop. We shared stories. She was going home early. Barbara Nepinak is an Indigenous elder at Pine Creek First Nation and has too many accolades to mention. Barb is my friend.”

Is a dedicated nurse working with an overworked physician who doesn’t have time to talk to a struggling Indigenous patient with diabetes a racist? I don’t think so, but the system they work in perpetuates this problem. One probably wanted the best for the patient; the other wanted the patient out. Was the conversation at coffee about non-compliant Indians in a predominantly Indigenous community? If you’re listening and not addressing comments, then you’re contributing. Saying nothing is doing nothing. Call it out when others may not see the racist path they are taking.

Healthcare is a challenge for the Indigenous community. The inequalities within the system are historically grounded. It takes a long time to change things, but together we can. Healthcare, clean water, and housing are all basic human rights. Isn’t that what everyone deserves? I grew up entitled to this. The Indigenous community grew up fighting for that. My understanding of that concept was based on my own beliefs about how much I actually knew about the Indigenous community—nothing!

Question: If you’re not challenging your own beliefs about racism, are you helping or hindering?

“Barry opened the workshop speaking with passion and love for his community, people, and his land. He’s also a very nice person who I now consider a friend. Dr. Barry Lavallee is a member of the Métis community of St. Laurent, Manitoba, and a descendent of Duck Bay and Lake Manitoba First Nations. He received his medical degree in 1988.”

Until we start challenging ourselves, nothing will change. Every one of us holds beliefs that we base decisions on. How can we change them? Is the Indigenous person on the stretcher drunk, or is their blood sugar low? Is an Indigenous person waiting for a helper from their community taking up hospital space or entitled to that privilege? If you have an alphabet of letters after your name, are you above showing discrimination? We can start by showing respect and understanding in all interactions. Do you believe that every person has value and is worthy of respect? I do, and it’s a mantra worth repeating.

“Be kind, be gentle.”

Patient Partner Perspective: Understanding Privilege and its Impact on Health Equity

By Terri MacDonnell

This is part 5 in our series of blog posts written by Patient Partners about their experience at the Diabetes Action Canada Workshop.

About Terri: Terri MacDonnell has been a T1D for going on a pump and sensor 2 years ago. Feeling going on a pump and sensor 2 years ago. Feeling isolated during the pandemic, she heard about DAC from her endocrinologist and quickly joined the organization to feel a sense of contribution and connection. She lives in Toronto with he rescue bunny Lola and forages for her favourite weeds daily to stay active and help keep stress in check.

Privilege – it’s not about what you have, but what you haven’t had to go through.

Recently, someone told me that I couldn’t understand what they were going through due to my “privilege.” Of course, their remark stung – and the only response I could mutter back was a feeble “Well, do all of your organs work?” But their flippant comment stayed with me the rest of the day. This person didn’t know me, and they certainly didn’t know what we, as people with diabetes, go through every day in trying to live healthy, normal lives. I wasn’t looking for sympathy; I only wanted to express that you can’t base your assumptions or opinions on visible criteria alone.

Sometimes privilege means never having to pay out-of-pocket expenses for pump supplies, counting carbohydrates before meals, or wondering if you’re going to suffer from retinopathy due to poor decisions you made earlier in life.

This concept of privilege was thoughtfully explained by the Indigenous Patient Circle during DAC’s Workshop Event – Cultivating Equity: Advancing Anti-Racism in Healthcare. Their team provided the best definition of privilege I’ve heard: “It’s not about what you have, it’s about what you haven’t had to go through.” This group then brought their unique perspective of how they, as Indigenous people, are treated differently in our Canadian healthcare system. They often feel like they have done something wrong to be suffering from diabetes and feel like they are talked down to based on their lack of medical knowledge or education.

The anti-racism discussion also included a comprehensive graphic outlining the different kinds (or segments) of racism that people face – many of which I hadn’t fully contemplated. Often, people only address the physical characteristics when making assumptions about someone’s power or privilege. This wheel clearly shows not just the types of advantages people have but also the degree of power or marginalization that comes from having those specific traits.

When it comes to healthcare, communication is often directed towards those who are considered to have the most power. Even at the community level, healthcare providers often lack the tools or language needed to help marginalized individuals understand their conditions and treatment options. Plus, the cost and access to medications and therapies best serve those who have full health insurance and who live in large city centres.

While we’re moving towards a more equitable society, we still have a way to go in providing the same services to everyone in Canada. How can we properly empower all people with diabetes when we’re still being labeled by our individual levels of power and privilege? This DAC workshop shed light on this topic and how we can dissolve the stigmas that hold people back from making real progress.

Breaking Barriers and Building Connections at the DAC Conference

By Ryan Hooey

This is part four in a series of blog posts written by Patient Partners about the Diabetes Action Canada Workshop.

About Ryan: Ryan Hooey: A person living with Type I Diabetes for 30 years. An advocate for the affordability, availability, and accessibility of diabetes management technology for all. Located in Windsor, Ryan has been a Patient Partner for approximately 3 years. Fun fact: I wish that items created to treat low blood sugar tasted terrible so I would not want to eat them.

This was a conference like no other. It was unique in several different ways. For starters, no one had any identifying credentials on their name tags, so the conversation flowed naturally without any intimidation of titles. This was a breath of fresh air, as whether it be a group setting or one-on-one with a scientist, researcher, or endocrinologist, patient partners did not have to feel overwhelmed to speak the truth or share how they might not be the “perfect” person with diabetes. It was evident that real conversations were taking place all over the conference between people from all over Canada, speaking about their journey with diabetes.

Another thing that differed from other conferences I have attended was the notion that patient partners were the focal point, and all the breakout sessions, group discussions, and events were geared towards patient partners with lived experience. This extended right down to the menu and timing of the agenda to allow attendees to bolus without worrying about lag time and a rollercoaster of blood sugars.

I absolutely loved the connection to Indigenous culture and their representation within the diabetes community. There were so many group discussions and even a culturally respectful gathering the evening before the conference started regarding racism. Hearing the thoughts from those who attended this was so thought-provoking. A few times during this, I heard that this was the first time someone felt comfortable speaking in this forum.

Another experience that was a first for me was the session about homelessness and diabetes. I never knew this was such a critical issue so many are experiencing. There was a film shown to the entire conference, and I felt like this was a very real portrayal of the difficulties facing people who are homeless and live with diabetes. I would urge you to check it out if you have not seen it. The cost of food for those seeking shelter was a real concern in this film, yet something I would have never considered.

On the final day of the conference, myself and two others were awarded the DAC Catalyst For Change award. I want to congratulate the others who won this award because you are doing fantastic things in the world of diabetes. For me, this was humbling, and it gave us the chance to speak about how important having patient partners be a part of your research or project is. Living with diabetes is different for each and everyone out there who manages this daily. We never get a day off, whether it is a Wednesday or your birthday, we have to make a million little decisions that ultimately will affect our blood sugar levels, maybe even several hours into the day. Being able to express this alongside the two award winners who have had very different journeys than myself was an honor.

As a person living with diabetes, you can come to the table with so many questions, concerns, and essentially problems. But you become a patient partner when you come with those concerns but also a solution.

Finding Belonging Through Art and Patient Partnership: My Journey at the DAC 2024 Workshop

By Shayla Hele

This is the third in our series of blog posts, written by Patient Partners, about their experience at the Diabetes Action Canada Workshop.

About Shayla: My name is Shayla Hele. I am 26 years old and have been living with Type 1 Diabetes for 19 years. I have been a part of the Collective Patient Circle at Diabetes Action Canada since 2016. I currently live in Halifax, Nova Scotia, and I love dirty chai lattes.

I have been attending the Diabetes Action Canada (DAC) conferences since the first conference in 2017. It is almost intangible how far we have come since then, with substantial progress being made every year. For myself, what made this conference a particular success was the incorporation of research using art and creativity as a means of conveying qualitative data. The Reshape T1D Collection, the film Low, and the Home Sweet Home(less) photo exhibit were individually and collectively phenomenal. I have never felt so engaged at a DAC conference as I did with each of these pieces. I believe this is in large part a result of the direct involvement of individuals living with diabetes in the development and implementation of these projects.

I am not a researcher, bear in mind, but from my understanding and experience, the consequences of research often go unseen or take years to create meaningful change. These projects, in contrast, felt as though they held direct impact. Perhaps they cannot amplify the rate of change in policy, but from how they made me feel, I am hopeful they will. I believe that art offers a vulnerability and personability that speaks louder than numbers and conclusions. When there is something more tangible than a piece of paper driving actions, I believe we may see different outcomes. I believe this also holds true in terms of knowledge mobilization, which is something I know DAC has been working to amplify since its outset.

All this is to say, I felt profoundly moved and motivated by this conference. In previous years, I have found it difficult to hold my attention while researchers presented their projects, discussing protocols or outcomes I did not understand, could not see the implications of, or could not directly relate to. This deterred me from meaningfully engaging with poster presentations and researchers one-on-one because I felt I did not know how. This year felt different, and it was refreshing. It felt as though in every project being presented, both qualitative and quantitative, I could see myself (or someone else with lived experience) shining through. This created space for me to connect with each project; the outcomes, the patient partners, and the researchers; and it felt empowering and exciting.

I am very proud to be a part of this organization and to have had the opportunity to watch it grow into something so powerful. I am thankful to have been given the opportunity to use my voice and be heard. I am also very grateful to all the other folks with lived and loved experience for sharing their expertise. I also thank all the folks at DAC who have worked and who continue to work tirelessly towards our shared goals.